reblogging again because it’s absolutely incredible
important as fuck
can i put this on my refrigerator
I’m tapping this inside my locker and my room and looking at it everyday, this needs to be seen.
theflyingredpig said: Genesis Rodriguez is Honey Lemon. All the main characters are being played by actors of the same race. I think Maya Rudolph as the white aunt is the only major exception. I want to wait for more info to pan out before determining Honey Lemon’s race.
Jamie Chung is korean-american, though? I mean, I think most people consider korean and japanese to be different groups
A) I think you’re confused over casting, Genesis Rodriguez is the voice actress of Honey Lemon, Maya is an aunt character of some sort?
B) Maya Rudoph is biracial Jewish and black and I’m pretty sure she refers to herself that way (could be wrong but just wanted to point that out for anyone who is unfamiliar with her, not to say that makes her Latina or anything), but anyway my point here is that although I see what you’re saying, it’s pretty limiting to assume that everyone has to only play the voice of their prescribed race considering that white characters are predominantly animated, especially as main characters?
So it would cut a lot of PoC out of those casting decisions. You don’t need to be straight to play a straight character, white to voice a white character, etc. Though to be fair I haven’t written a lot about voice actors so maybe this isn’t fully correct.
ermmmm I… think… so? Does anyone know because I’m not good with timelines
edit based on comments: I would think Russell from UP counts
I wouldn’t personally count Ghibli films since Disney only acts as a distributor for them, but, if you count them, then.
good to know!
this trailer? Just watched it since I looked it up :)
(my full thought was that it was kind of slow in the beginning…-.-)
iiinterestingly, Honey Lemon’s design does appear to be different?? Her hair, skin and eyes look darker unless this is just me? But:
Yet this isn’t the same at all as the other version of the design we’ve seen?? But it does seem to reinforce what someone was saying about the original comic, that when she transformed into her super hero form, she magically became blond and whatever…
I don’t know if there’s any one way to determine if a character is latina… ideally the company makes it clear, like there are cues through showing their traditions, home, talking about past, language, something, etc — but even if she spoke, there’s no accent a latina/hispanic character “has” to have in order to be legitimate.
I remain… skeptical that even money can transverse subconscious racism
what i mean by this is that even if the film does do well, I’m not sure it will necessarily lead to a better future. I think that’s what we want to believe — that change is inevitable.
But it is really something we have to push for and advocate for and continually point out that it’s not “bad for business.” Like: for me, it’s always a little jarring to go back to some of the popular shows/movies/etc of the 1990’s and realize that a lot of them were way more diverse than media right now, or at least equivalent. Not to say there aren’t exceptions right now, but it seems to me (maybe I’m biased because of what I was typically watching idk??) like it was more the “norm” then.
I guess to make a long story short, I agree with you, but I also don’t want the implicit message to be like “you must support every film that has a diverse cast regardless of anything else because that is the only way these films will be made” because the problem is unfortunately deeper than $$ alone…
what?? I haven’t seen this (yet) but that is unnecessary & silly justification.
@Feminist Disney- hey there. You were talking a little while ago about an article on “why Japanese people draw themselves as white” being linked and that we could find it on the has this been asked before. I found the post but the link was broken so I tracked it down aaand… if anyone’s interested:
oh whoops! well, there you go :) thanks for finding it. I wonder what happened to the original article
[ 2] company, and unfortunately here the “default human being” is white unless expressly stated otherwise. Honey Lemon MIGHT be Japanese in the reboot, but so far there is nothing visually to tell us that, and American/Western audiences will view her as white (or Latina considering her voice actress.) In fact, even if the movie clearly stated she was Japanese a lot of people will still willfully ignore this (like they did with Rue in THG.) since GoGo looks much more coded to be Japanese. (end ask)
yes, I’ve written about this before and there’s an interesting article in the archives about how Japanese people interpret anime character as “japanese” while white americans tend to perceive them as “white” (though they are japanese, having been produced by Japanese people).
It’s not so much about her hair as the fact that she’s pretty clearly intended to be white in the reboot? I mean, you can correct me if you see it differently but it’s everything, not just the hair and eyes. She looks like a replica of Anna/Elsa more or less, and I wouldn’t say they look Japanese, with or without the eye color and hair??
The other commentator pointed it out because it seemed like they were saying her eye color/hair color changed at certain times in the comic which can have different connotations than what they just “are.”
yeah I think they were saying that it was a problem that her hair changing to blond / corresponding to being more beautiful in her transformation had racialized undertones (I say this, again, going off of what they say b/c I haven’t read the comic)
but yeah it is also possible that some artists weren’t on the same page of an overall design concept… doesn’t mean the concept isn’t there
"But the Big Hero 6 comics had ALL of the characters be Japanese!"
the comics had a bunch of characters they claimed were all Japanese, but pulled racist shit such as making Honey Lemon’s “powers” give her blue eyes and blonde hair. Because “oh, no, she’s really Japanese! We swear! Her powers just make her purrrrty!” Yeah. The comics are from a different time. It was wrong then and it’s wrong today. Honey and Fred were always depicted as white. Hiro has always been half white and half Japanese, which doesn’t need to be changed. Fred and Honey, however? It was problematic.
I criticize Disney sometimes too, but they’re taking it a step UP by sticking to the original character designs, and just admitting those characters are white, instead of trying to pass them off as "Japanese."
interesting… I’ve heard from multiple people that Fred is Ainu? Which is an ethnic group indigenous to Japan/Russia that doesn’t really look white?
IDK. While I see your point (I am admittedly not super familiar with the comics so taking your word for the original designs), there were obviously two ways of doing it. One was taking problematic representations of Japanese people and taking out the problematic. The other way was legitimizing the problems by literally making them obviously and clearly white.
It seems weird to say a company is “admitting” characters are white when they were intended (it seems) to be Japanese but were made to look more white because of racalized beauty standards… which is not the same as being white
I wanna take your atention for a moment. Many of you have seen in blogs how Disney princess merchaindising doesn’t make justice for POC princess (Jasmine, Pocahontas, Mulan and Tiana), in special what refers of the lack of their products in Disney stores. Well, you should know that outside the United States the scenario isn’t too different, it’s worse.
In México there aren’t Disney stores, there’s just the official website, which mexican Disney fans can buy products of their favorite characters. So, I was curious about which Disney princess products are available in my country, and in a bitter surprise I notice that the store only shows one tag for all POC princess, in this case, one for Pocahontas, not Mulan, not Jasmine, Tiana neither.
And from Pocahontas tag, there are only three products: her movie (included in a three classics pack), a Funko Pop! figure and a make up accesories set (but include the rest of her female counterparts), but what I found as the worst thing of all is that the Funko Pop! figure isn’t hers! It’s Jasmine! And the store knows that!
I mean, you can think the situation in US already sucks but in México, as you can see, isn’t better.
If you wanna see by yourselves, here’s the link:
I wanted to make sure someone wasn’t punking me, but it seems pretty accurate. If you got to the “juguetes” tag (under the girls’/ninas section), also, the only WoC princess I saw was Jasmine (maybe there was a small inclusion in a group product but nothing I could see from scrolling w/out zooming in on individual packaging)