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Different anon here. I have a theory on Peter Pan. Assuming Neverland isn't actually real and is based on the children's own imaginations/coming to grips with growing up, what if everything they face is really their own fears (pirates), dreams and longings (Peter and the Lost Boys), and their views on life as they know it? Being young English children in Edwardian London, wouldn't their views of Native Americans be stereotypical and racist if they have a limited knowledge? (1/2)

(cont.) I’m not saying that this excuses the portrayal in the slightest, but I thought it would make sense if a child’s point of view would be more stereotypical and blunt. Their knowledge of Native Americans likely would be only things they’ve heard from their parents or simplistic children’s stories. Again, I’m not saying the portrayal is justified, but I thought it was a different take than what is usually discussed about that scene.


if you’re not saying it’s justified, then I’m not sure what you’re saying exactly haha. Isn’t that sort of the end game of trying to explain why stereotyping “makes sense”?

From my perspective, I don’t really care how stereotypes and racism fit into the story. There’s often or even always “logical” reasons why anything inappropriate is in a story — you can fit most things into a narrative easily. That doesn’t mean you should, though. Because then you could justify literally any racism/sexism/whatever by just explaining that the setting is “Edwardian England” etc., even in movies like this where the place & time aren’t that important to the movie itself.

But your explanation doesn’t even seem to… fit that well. Exactly how does a culture a child has never encountered and has probably only loosely heard about, figure into coming to grips with adulthood? Exactly why is it okay to see another culture as a metaphor for a child’s personal growth, since these aren’t real children??

IRL a company is behind the production of Peter Pan and that has influence over how a child’s point of view is portrayed so you know…

TL; DR thinking about it that way doesn’t change how I, at least, feel about that part of the movie.

Yo, different anon, but sometimes people ask questions on anon because they feel more comfortable that way? And/or want to ask a question they don't want linked back to them if they're worried about getting hate or something like that? Or if they think they'll be taken less seriously because of their [fandom/hipster/whatever thing people don't like] blog? I mean, there are lots of reasons. :\

I give 0% cares why people use anon, I try to leave it open when I can so as to give an open space, I’m just saying that you can’t expect me to know your identity or trust that you are what you say you are on anon when, as we all know, people lie, especially when they’re white and think they have a great argument about race

(not about that ask in particular but, in general)

I'm awfully confused as to why Frozen was so glorified and acclaimed... like, there are so many other Disney movies that had the same messages as Frozen, yet they never received the same credit or glory. It is so random to me as to why this movie in particular had a sudden explosion of love and praise. I hear it is because Disney put a lot of effort into promoting it, but the fans are what feed its frenzy. They act like it is so progressive and amazing and I don't understand why...

because it has two white girls instead of one so it requires extra celebration

(I had like three beers and it’s making me snarky)

more seriously, I agree… like I’ve said before, it’s not terrible or anything but I agree that it gets showered with progressive praise that it doesn’t really deserve, at least if it’s being compared to like, all the other movies Disney has done, or kids’ movies in general, etc.

It’s also perhaps partially the fault of shoddy media. You get more headline clicks  saying “Why Frozen is the Most Progressive Film Disney Ever Made" than saying "Why Frozen is Basically Similar to All These Other Films, And Hence is Not Groundbreaking”

Hi! I'm doing a school project- a social awareness poster on sexism. I was wondering if I could use some of your Disney Princesses comics (like the one that's your avatar) for my assignment. I'll def reference your blog correctly if I do get your permission! Thanks for taking the time to read this :)

yes…no problem :) 

full images can be found in the tab on the sideboard

I have never seen anyone point out how wrong it is to wear clothing with crosses on them, but if people started wearing the symbol of another religion people would be up in arms about it. I'm not trying to place more importance on one religion over another but, I like how especially on tumblr it seems that Christianity is a joke and wearing crossed(inverted or not) is so cool and edgy

"Has this been asked before?"

I’m not going to point out that 5,000 people have actually pointed this out, but also there’s that

and again this tumblr is not meant to be a comfy space for people claiming that marginalized religions and literally the religion that ends up dictating how our country’s laws are made even today are treated the same, so there’s that too, I am not even 2% as concerned about crosses for this reason

but just fyi although I answer a few q’s like this, it’s not the general theme of the blog so if you really want answers, google, “has this been asked before?” or other blogs covering these specific topics will be your friends 

You shouldn't assume that someone is white just because they ask a question regarding a non-white culture. I am not white at all, but you assumed I was because of the bindi question I asked. I wasn't asking it to silence the voices of minorities like you said. I didn't agree with the girl's argument at all. I was curious as to what you had to say about it. I'm sorry I asked a question that you already answered, but I seriously didn't see a question similar to mine when I looked up "bindi."

my eyebrows are raised when this is on anon. If your identity is important to asks and it’s not sensitive as a question, please, don’t use anon. This is what i said (or at least what I assume you’re getting upset with):

knowing that I, probably the same as yourself, are white and not Hindu

-probably so all of this question was answered without your race mattering 

-white AND not hindu because this is not a question about PoC, it is specifically about being hindu and white

-the main point of that statement wasn’t to assume your whiteness, it was to question why you came to a non-Hindu white girl (me) with a question about bindis?

-yes, I assume you saw some validity in her answer, if you knew all the reasons it was wrong or something why ask me about it? IDK like you’re on anon so no one is holding anything against you if I mistakenly think you agree

-It’s fine to ask questions but curiosity doesn’t exist in some vacuum of space. I wasn’t mad or anything that the Q had already been reblogged (sorry if I did seem short about it), which is why I copied it for you to see. But I am going to point out that it’s there

Why is it that people are concerned that plus sized disney characters could potentially promote obesity, yet you rarely hear people claim that the thin disney characters promote eating disorders (not saying they do/are, just making an observation)? Once society gets to the point where it doesn't equate thinness with health, I'll know it's progressed.

rhetorical question! But yes we have to re-teach ourselves for the sake of our own bodies and for the well-being of those around us, that the ideas that size = state of health and that big = bad are not only misleading, they can be dangerous to believe in.


"Despite the outcries of people claiming that it would be "encouraging an unhealthy lifestyle", I do really believe that Disney should make a plus-size female character… Who ISN’T a villain or a side character! In a culture that tells people that they are inherently "bad" and not pretty if they don’t have a certain body type, I think it would present a really positive message to young people"


"Despite the outcries of people claiming that it would be "encouraging an unhealthy lifestyle", I do really believe that Disney should make a plus-size female character… Who ISN’T a villain or a side character! In a culture that tells people that they are inherently "bad" and not pretty if they don’t have a certain body type, I think it would present a really positive message to young people"

liquidapparitions said: since you are answering this question, i’ll ask the one i’ve been mulling over lately: what about white women who convert to hinduism? when i searched it i found journals of white hindus and no other perspectives.

well, again, even though I know it’s “just a question,” it’s a little disingenuous for non-hindus to trade these questions back and forth. I’ll answer it since my answer is more about how we think about it rather than anything requiring a ton of religious knowledge

does the answer to your question even matter? Ultimately it’s not really white hindu women who end up disenfranchised here because 99.99% of the women getting called out aren’t hindu. They’re not secretly hindu white women. But the large majority of PoC hindu women ARE disenfranchised when white girls slap on a bindi as a fashion accessory du jour. This is what the conversation is about, it’s not about real legit white hindu women, it’s about appropriation. If it is TRULY your culture or religion, you’re not appropriating, you’re participating.

If it’s a hypothetical, it’s also of limited interest. You found the journals — were they upset by this? If not, then why bother bringing the convo back to “what about the white girls”? It’s worth noting that, yeah I’m gonna say it, religion can be appropriated just like anything else and though I’m sure there do exist legitimate hindu white women, there are also phony baloneys out there acting like they’re hindu or buddhist or whatever for the same reasons they start mimicking various asian women “out of respect” in other ways, and people who are appropriating religion don’t deserve a place in this conversation so, unless they’re real and legitimate, and are upset about the conversation, and not hypothetical, I don’t see the point of wondering about them

I used the advanced Google search to look for this question on your blog before I decided to ask it. :) I saw this text post on cultural appropriation that received a lot of notes. It was a long quote from a Hindu girl who said that wearing a bindi isn't cultural appropriation because many Hindu women wear one as a fashion statement rather than for religious purposes, therefore, non-Hindu people can wear it for fashion purposes as well. What is your opinion on that argument?

I guess I’m not sure why you’re sending me a question… my answers haven’t changed? Since it does indeed come up in "Has this been asked before?

I’ve already said that in my opinion, based on what’s been pointed out, it’s cultural appropriation when white people do it in spite of numerous South Asian women protesting this. 

If it actually needs to be articulated, then yes, I do say this with the knowledge that the millions of Hindu women this might affect do not think with a hive mind and at least a few might not agree with that. 

I also think this question comes from a place where, to be honest, you really want a certain answer and aren’t fully looking at what’s presented to you. Especially when I know, since you’ve told me, that you’ve seen “Has this been asked before?” — this post comes up and it’s 100% relevant to this ask. The answer is already out there.

the voices of POC get pitted against each other all the time, and it’s usually done to 

  • affirm some kind of racist/ culturally appropriative act
  • affirm the idea that POC are a monolith

Like during The Great Bindi Debate on Tumblr, there were so many ppl going ‘but I talked to someone who lives in India and they said it was ok!’. There were even desis from the homeland chiming in to tell us diasporic desis that we’re making too much of it and that they don’t care if white people wear bindis and so neither should we.

Let me be clear: these are not conversations in which white people have any prerogative. The concerns of our activism and identity are ‘family’ conversations that POC have with each other, so stop appropriating the differences in our perspectives to further silence and disenfranchise us. (irresistible-revolution)

this is what you are sliding in by asking my opinion about their disagreement, as if the disagreement could change my already stated opinion, and knowing that I, probably the same as yourself, are white and not Hindu:

"Stop appropriating the differences in our perspectives to further silence and disenfranchise us."







I’m gonna fight Vanessa hudgens


this is actually so fucked up

i’m in shock

i mean wearing a bindi is bad enough but she’s actually shitted over centuries of tradition and culture

oh my god


weird, this is 2012… still wrong, of course, but I’m surprised I never saw it before now

(for this unfamiliar, Ravi Shankar was a world famous sitar player who died in dec 2012, so this was taken just after he died… although it’s fine to feel sad about musicians dying this seems like a double layer of wtf to just throw his name out like that and associate it with playing cultural dress up??)

i realized something whil reading your film critiques. on your points about how in movies where there are few humans (more non-human cast) they are always white, i was thinking "well, that's not on purpose!" BUT WOW it just came to me that the fact that it ISN'T on purpose is probably even more problematic?? like that white people are considered the standard model of a human without even thinking about it...

yep that basically sums it up…

the notion that racism has to be a conscious decision is widespread because it’s both reassuring ("I know I haven’t done anything wrong, because I think…") and defensive ("My favorite movie couldn’t be wrong because the director thinks…") … among other things.

It’s self-serving to assume that racism can’t be something one partakes in through the way whiteness is assumed a default, etc.

Pretty ridiculous. I’ll mostly just say check out the links (the above or a somewhat shorter version on Opposing Views) and the excerpts from both I’ll drop into here, and put my thoughts at the end.

‘This gentleman out of nowhere comes up to me and just says,”’You need to pull your top up,”’ she told 10News. ‘I was looking at him like, “Excuse me? Are you serious?”’

This is a family park. You are showing too much,” the employee allegedly said. 

"I guess women with large chests are expected to wear turtlenecks their whole lives,” said Behnken to 10News.

Behnken says her husband had just returned home from deployment and they had been excited to take their three children to the resort for their first family vacation. After the incident, however, Behnken says the rest of the trip was ruined.

Now, the California mom has filed a formal complaint with the park as well as one with the Disney corporation. She says that in the week since the incident happened, Disney has reached out to offer an apology on behalf of the employee, but Behnken says she hopes they take it a step further.

“Maybe they need to do more exclusive training on what is OK to say to people that come there,” suggested Behnken.

Disneyland reportedly has a policy deeming clothing that “exposes excessive portions of the skin” as inappropriate for the family-friendly park, but Behnken’s apparel barely showed any cleavage at all, as evident in the family’s pictures taken at the park prior to the incident.

disney woman ordered to cover up

My thoughts:

  • Unless people are actually running around naked, it seems like this rule invariably comes down to the judgment of employees, which can be biased. Even if her top had been cut lower? If you don’t want people wearing “skin revealing” outfits, stop placing your theme parks in 90 degree weather. Otherwise, there’s a bit of a correlation. I should know — I’ve fainted just standing in line for Universal.
  • Definitely a case where the bodies of women with larger boobs are inherently seen as sexual no matter to what degree they cover up, because large boobs will inherently not look the same as small boobs in the same shirt. Short of wearing a turtle neck, they will often “peek out”
  • A ridiculous thing to say to a family — that their mother is not family-friendly
  • This is not the first time and unlikely to be the last time that it is clear that, even though the majority of employees are respectful and great, many lack clear guidance on issues like this 

I know it’s not accurate but whenever i get an ask like that I imagine someone sitting in a room covered from floor to ceiling in pictures of happy faces and rainbows, as they sit at a computer desperately searching for non-critical internet postings

more realistically I think it’s absolutely silly to send me a… criticism of my blog when your point is for me to not be critical. I have to wonder why you’re not just publicizing the positive strides I’ve made, instead. It’s almost like critique is this tool of communication we all use pretty much every day or something

I'm all for human rights and liberties and expressing your opinion but not when it goes as far as criticizing every single thing you ever come across. Unfortunately, sexism is found in everything, everywhere. The human culture has been honoring patriarchal roles for tens of thousands of years. We are an ever changing, evolving culture, and instead of publicizing where we lack, you should be publicizing the huge strides that are being made toward making this world a fair and just place for all.

You have to have both, my valued tumblr acquaintance. 

Think about if sexism was a illness causing bacteria in your cans of (life!) soup. 

Yes, this soup might be sold everywhere

No, you’re not doing everyone a favor just by celebrating the good soup a rival soup maker made. People will still get sick from this soup — especially if you don’t see the value in saying “hey there’s bacteria that made me or my friends really sick in this soup, I’m going to point it out and demand some better soup”

you are a human entitled to a world without sexism, among other things

and the world has been more quick to praise strides as a whole, honestly, than criticize them. People are currently throwing themselves around the internet trying to promote some random card ad praising motherhood. The most self-serving drop in the bucket yet it makes a thousand more headlines than likely anything we’ll cover here that isn’t so positive.

change doesn’t happen with only praise — sad to say but it’s true if you look beyond really uplifting books they give you in kindergarten about fighting bullies with kindness. I am supportive of groups that mostly choose to just post uplifting messages like A Mighty Girl, but it’s never going to be the only thing I do.

 I am pretty against the idea that talking about problems can only be done in a nice, non-threatening voice. Which is what you’re pushing for.

tattle-tale on sexism like your sisters depend on it